How Do You Inspire Good in Others? Listen to Them

In 1969, long before running became a popular workout activity, George Hirsch completed his first marathon in Boston. The 26.2-mile race was the only one Hirsch had ever entered. Huffing to the finish line, he could barely breathe, but he caught the bug. He recorded his fastest all-time record (2:38) at age 44 in 1978, and in 1988, he wooed the future love of his life, Shay Scrivner, a first-time marathoner, by running alongside her for nearly the entire race. The founding publisher of New York Magazine and long-time publisher of Runner’s World, Hirsch ran one final marathon in New York City in 2009 at the age of 75, on a route he had helped create in 1976 and oversees today as chairman of New York Road Runners. While he’s retired his marathon bibs, NationSwell spoke with Hirsch about the lessons he’s learned from a lifetime of long-distance running and the ever-changing world of publishing.
What’s the best advice you have ever been given on leadership?
My father once said to me, “Get a reputation for getting up at the crack of dawn, and you can sleep ’til noon.” Underneath that, there is a little something. You get a reputation for anything: being collegial, being transparent, being trustworthy, being straight with people. I do think we are our reputation. We can alter it to some degree, but over time, we build who we are and it’s what we become.
What do you wish someone had told you when you started this job?
After I was in the Navy and went to graduate school, my first real job was at Time Life, back in the day when it was the premier publishing company in the world. It was a very special place to work, and people — very unlike today’s world — spent their careers working there. When I left to be the founding publisher of New York Magazine, no one understood it. People, like my boss, who was a great guy, didn’t understand. Now, in all fairness, there was no New York Magazine, so it was a high risk. To me, it seemed like an incredible, terrific opportunity. You have to remember, I’m not from what you would call an entrepreneurial age. People didn’t start companies in garages or leave college freshman year because they had a big idea.

What innovations in your field are you most excited about right now?

I’m on the board of Salon, which is an online magazine. I’ve entered that world, and it’s only taught me again that this idea of print being so challenged and all the answers are in digital, it’s not so true. For newspapers and magazines, digital presents as many problems as print does. Advertisers aren’t paying as much money for eyeballs. It’s very small, it’s very difficult, and with websites like Facebook and Google offering incredibly targeted audience segments to advertisers, it’s a different world. In-depth journalism and hard, good, solid investigative reporting costs a ton of time and money, and it’s not so clear how that’s all going to be paid for going forward.

Whenever there’s an opening — a vacuum, if you will — people try to move into it. So you are seeing people doing investigative reporting, even through nonprofits. Some of them are doing some really interesting and good work. You see organizations collaborating in ways they never used to. It’s being accomplished in certain ways, for sure, but I think that the real issue is: what is, if there is, the new business model? We all know what the business model was for Time magazine. To me, that’s still very much up for grabs. It’s no easy answer.

How do you try to inspire others?
That’s a role I guess you’re asked to play as the years go on, working with people that are in the middle or early on in their careers. It’s hard to answer in a way that doesn’t sound just pat, but I think over the years, I have become a better listener to people. I feel that, in a funny way, the more you listen, the more you can contribute.
What’s your perfect day?
A day I truly enjoy is one where I can get up and have some breakfast. I always have a real breakfast, with coffee. And if I have the time and I can linger over that, I’ll have a second cup of coffee and read The New York Times and get started that way. That makes me feel really good. Years ago and for countless years, my day began with a run, but now I push that back later in the day. Any perfect day for me still includes exercise, and I probably do that five or six days a week.

George and Shay in Kenya, 2000.

What’s your proudest accomplishment?
Marrying Shay. I met her in a very romantic way, and we were married for 25 years that were just remarkable in every way, before she died two years ago. She was really something extraordinary. She was one of those people who taught a master class in how to live a life. She was very tolerant, and even tolerant of the intolerant. During our entire marriage, I never heard her speak ill of someone. She just was someone you could watch and you just say to yourself, “I just learned being with her.”
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This interview has been edited and condensed.
Editors’ note: This article originally stated that Hirsch worked for Sports Illustrated; he never did. NationSwell apologizes for the error.
 

Homeless and Jobless, This Man Found Hope Running 26.2 Miles

Kevin Gonzalez, a 24-year-old from the South Bronx, had been training for the marathon his entire life — he just didn’t know it. Gonzalez didn’t regularly go on 18-mile training runs on the weekend nor did he spend hours on the treadmill; in fact, he wasn’t a runner at all. But his tough upbringing prepped him to endure a long haul, not just a sprint.
After a pre-dawn run, Gonzalez met with NationSwell recently in the front lobby of the Bowery Mission, a men’s residential recovery center in East Harlem, N.Y. After living at the shelter for a few months, Gonzalez signed up with Back on My Feet, a program that uses running to instill responsibility and self-sufficiency, with the ultimate goal of running the 2015 New York City Marathon. Gonzalez heard that the nonprofit’s morning runs had translated into 2,000 jobs and 1,400 housing placements for homeless participants, so he laced his running shoes to test whether he could be the organization’s next success story.
“I went from running the streets to running to save my life,” Gonzalez says. “Now I knew what I wanted to do and why it mattered. I had the dedication and a goal to achieve.”
That feeling of determination was new for Gonzalez, who was orphaned at a young age and spent his childhood in the foster care system. From age 17, he’s been on his own. With a minimum-wage job, Gonzalez was able to pay for his own apartment for a year before moving with his girlfriend’s family. Struggling with addictions — alcohol, drugs and cigarettes — he lost a job and was kicked out. Without anywhere to go, Gonzalez was living on the street.
His first run wasn’t easy. Another Back on My Feet member ran alongside Gonzalez for the whole hour to make sure he wasn’t alone. But that guy wanted to chat, something that Gonzalez, who was struggling to breathe, found impossible. Six months since he started, a morning run has become part of the routine, and Gonzalez’s lungs have greater capacity.
“Nothing is as relaxing as breaking a quick sweat,” Gonzalez says. “It helps with my stress and anxieties. I feel like I’m 18 again. I’m in the best shape of my life.”
The weekend before the Big Apple’s marathon last month, on one of his final practice workouts, Gonzalez stumbled and sprained his ankle. He had trained so hard and the injury didn’t seem that bad, so Gonzalez continued with his marathon plan. With his toe on the starting line in Staten Island, his shoulders were tense with nervousness. Using the resilience he’d built and strengthened over so many years, Gonzalez pushed his worries about the injury aside.
When he passed the 18th mile and saw the cheering supporters from the shelter at 110th Street, he knew he could make it. Four and a half hours after starting, he crossed the finish line in Central Park.
With one marathon down, Gonzalez already has his sights on his next one. He now has a job walking dogs, and he expects to enroll in school next year. He’s planning to run the marathon again in November 2016, cutting an hour off his time.
“I’d say running has saved my life,” Gonzalez says. “I found hope. Things are brighter than ever.”
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